Message #107 From: AzTeC SW Archaeology SIG To: "'Matthias Giessler'" Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 Subject: Aviation Archaeological Investigation [ AzTeC / SWA SASIG ] : From: Craig Fuller firstname.lastname@example.org I will be in AZ the second week of June. For Saturday, June 6th, I am setting up a search for a crash site with all of the people I have met who are interested in locating crash sites. I estimate 10 - 20 people. This will be a chance to hopefully bring some unity to all the people who are locating crash sites and possibly some standards. Most are in Phoenix, a few in Tucson, Kingman, Havasu, Prescott and possibly even from NM and NV. I felt a site near Phoenix would be good since it is centralized, but the heat is a problem. I want a site that no one in the group has been to before. I have two T-33s near Payson, but some people are only interested in WWII aircraft. There are three AT-17s that crashed at the same time in the Chiricahuas Mtns (also the same day as the one on Mt. Graham that was not found until the 1970s). I have been to one, looked for a second without luck and yet to look for the third. This is a possibility, but would require camping out the night before or a very early morning drive. Another is the B-18 on the San Francisco Peaks, but I understand it is in a restricted area due to an endangered wild flower. I will figure the exact crash site later, but the date is for sure. Regarding survey permits, I'll probably ask you on who to contact. Craig Fuller, AAIR Aviation Archaeological Investigation & Research http://www.sonic.net/azfuller SASIG Ed. Reply -- One must work permit requirements in advance with some land management agencies. I recommend the earlier the better to contact them to see if a permit is required. That means search location must be chosen early. General aviation crash sites like that of the Whiting Brothers, or others, are located in National Forests. Ranger District staff members usually know about these things because they often retain members who stay on a district for many years. These individuals tend to have intimate knowledge of the area and have seen the crash sites.