Message #242: From: AzTeC SW Archaeology SIG To: "'Matthias Giessler'" Subject: Talking Kivas Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:23:04 -0700 [ FYI -- A few years ago, 'Talking Pots' were discovered at the Raven Site. Most archaeologists know that artifacts yield information, but few have heard them speak.... ] From: Brian W. Kenny The June 5, 1997 edition of The Apache County Observer (Springerville AZ) ran the headline "Large and unique discovery made at the Raven Site Ruins." The article states that the largest square kiva known in the Southwest was discovered at the Raven Site on May 25, 1997. The interior dimensions were said to be 44 feet by 46 feet, with the semi-underground walls standing 2 feet high. The structure is thought to be a kiva because of its east-facing entryway and characteristic sandstone inner wall forming an inner bench. The article indicates that the kiva was discovered by "Jeffrey Brown, a Harvard University graduate student." I checked the student address book on the Harvard web site and only found one Jefrrey Brown in BioSci. I called Mr. Brown to ask him about the find, but he was the wrong person. So I called the Harvard Anthro. Department and they informed me that they do not have enrolled a graduate student by that name. I tried to call the Raven Site, but, did not connect. The newspaper article stated that Mr. Brown also dug at the kiva at Casa Malpais in 1990, and that the kiva at the Casa now is only the second largest kiva known in the Southwest when compared with the newly discovered Raven Site kiva. With the many unsubstantiated past claims made at these two sites, one wonders if this simply is a case of " kiva envy " within the tourist-hungry communities of the Round Valley? Anyone stopping by the Raven Site should check out the kiva story and report back. The article also states that students digging at the Raven Site are earning college credits from several universities and colleges, but, there was no discussion regarding which schools were offering credit through the Raven Site. Does anyone know?