Message #66: From: AzTeC SW Archaeology SIG To: "'Matthias Giessler'" Subject: Early Military Roads in AZ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 97 11:08:00 MST Encoding: 41 TEXT From: Marvin Jeter [Your previous message post is] -- interesting stuff, which recalls some of my dabblings in the AZ scene in the 1970s, and some subsequent researches. When we were in the field for the ASU Copper Basin Project in 1976, we sometimes found our way to the Palace(?) Saloon on Whiskey Row in Prescott; we were told that the carved-wooden bar back/mirror &c were made in Scandanavia (Sweden?), shipped around the Horn, a.k.a. via Tierra del Fuego as you mentioned, but as I recall, the folks told us it went to San Francisco, not Yuma, thence across all sorts of mountains &c to Prescott. Your Yuma-riverine route sounds more plausible, but was there also a regular route from SF to Prescott &c? I visited the Camp Date Creek ruins c. 1975 with the late Rey Ruppe, who was then teaching a Historical Archeology course. Some pretty good wall segments were still standing. I'm a bit surprised that nobody has yet done any archeology there. One of the surprising things I recall from our desultory background readings was that the soldiers there had suffered from malaria, out there on the edge of the Sonoran Desert! Regarding your Leonard Canyon "boundary" situation, LC seems to be totally outside of Yavapai "territory" as indicated in both of E. W. Gifford's Yavapai monographs, and totally within Apache territory as indicated by Grenville Goodwin. However, it is near the "boundary" shown by Goodwin (1942: Map I) between the Southern Tonto Apache and the Cibecue Apache, with the rest of Cibecue territory between it and the White Mountain Apache with whom you are concerned. Also, a scan of these works, esp. Goodwin's (pp. 6ff), indicates that the Southern Tonto Apache were closely linked with the Yavapai, whereas the White Mountain Apache were somewhat stand-offish, even vis-a-vis the Cibecue Apache (cf. p. 8, top), and even more so re the Tonto Apache (e.g., p. 24, pp. 50-51). So, I would suspect that the "boundary" situation in the LC vicinity goes back into late prehistoric times, to whenever the Tonto (or westernmost) Apache started mingling more closely with the Yavapai (and learning about how to exploit the mountain/transition-zone from them?) than with the White Mountain Apache. Greetings to all of my AZ & other SW cronies, and maybe see some of y'all @ SAA in Opryland... -- Marvin