Message #365:
From: AzTeC SW Archaeology SIG
To:   "'Matthias Giessler'" 
Subject: Regarding Histories of the Apache
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 09:44:00 MST
Encoding: 177 TEXT

From: Sergio Cordova 

I've taken the time to translate an article that appeared in the Imparcial 
Newspaper of Hermosillo, Sonora, Mexico on July 17, 1996.  The article was 
written by Rodolfo Rascon to correct and clarify points he had made in a 
series of 7 articles he wrote spanning from 01/18/88 through 04/16/95, 
regarding the last Apaches in Sonora that survived in the Sierra Madre into 
the 1930's.  His articles were based on oral histories from people in 
northeastern Sonora. These corrections were made as a result of feedback 
from readers with knowledge of the subject and further investigation. The 
prior 7 articles are not available on the internet.  From this article, one 
does get an idea of the subject matter of the previous stories and if 
someone is interested in studying further, this can give them reference in 
seeking the hard copies.

Original version can be found at:

Translation follows:

Title: To Err is Human
By, Rodolfo Rascon

Regarding Histories of the Apache

...Carmelita Harris was captured in April of 1932, her true name "Cuy". She 
was seven years old and she quickly adapted; "the same afternoon of her 
capture she voraciously ate flour tortillas and she frolicked in the patio 
and corral with crashing steps like those of a buzzard"...

In several of my works, presented on different dates in The Imparcial 
newspaper, with the titles, "The Last Apaches In Sonora", (January 18, 
1988); "The Famous Apache Juan", (February 13, 1988); "The Mischiefs of the 
Young Apache Girl Lupa ", (February 9, 1992); "Many Sonorans Dead Because of 
the Apache", (June 18, 1993); "Deaths caused by the Apache" (September 19, 
1993); "The Risky Life of the Young Apache Julio", (December 19, 1993); 
"More Deaths Because of the Apache", (April 16, 1995); and in other works 
presented in this Daily and other publications, we  asserted the following 9 

1.- The Apache "Seven-Colors" fought bravely in the 1880's, against a U.S. 
Military Company at the Mesa of Satachi & the Napopa Mountains south of 
Nacori Chico.
2.- The young Apache female Lupa was captured several times in the Sierra in 
1912, 1914, & 1916 by a group of Nacorian Cowboys.
3.- Lupa was a sister-in-law of the Apache Juan.
4.-Maria Dolores Grajeda Galindo, wife of Francisco Fimbres, killed by a 
band of Apaches commandeered by the Apache Juan, died on October 15, 1927.
5.-The Apache Juan was killed by Nacorians in the Sierra De La Nutria, 
between 1930-1932.
6.-The young Apache girl, Carmelita Harris, was captured in the Sierra by 
don Aristeo Garcia in 1931.
7.-The Apache Juan was a depraved individual.
8.-The Apache Elias(Figueroa) was tortured to death by individuals that 
tried to obtain the secret of where he would extract gold that he was taking 
as a gift to his relatives at the Mesa of Cuajari.
9.-"Al Che Say" was the last Chief of the Apache in the region of Bacerac 
and Nacori Chico circa the 1880's.

After much investigation, consulting, going over my own notes and those of 
others, consulting with people, with the experience that continual practice 
and grit of any activity; we have arrived at some definitive conclusions 
with respect to the issue of the last Apaches in the Sierra of Nacori Chico.

We recognize that in the works cited there exists inexact dates that are 
attributable to everything but bad-faith.

And, with all shame we now clarify the following:

1.-The Battle in which "Seven-Colors" confronted the U.S. Army, was not at 
the Mesas of Satachi but in Napopa and Maguey Pass[el puerto del Maguey], 
South of Nacori Chico.

"Seven-Colors", according to the University of New Mexico Historian, Lynda 
Sanchez, must be one of the many pseudo-names used by Geronimo in his 
flights and raids.

2.-Estolano Madrid Fimbres, friend of the young Apache Lupa, maintains she 
was captured in 1914 and it was easy to count her age as she "came with the 
century", meaning she was born in 1900.

3.-The young Apache Lupa was indeed sister-in-law of the Apache Juan because 
one of his "wives" was her sister...."Lupa cried inconsolably when Juan was 
killed when it was described to her that two women died with him, saying 
that those dead were her mother and younger sister".

4.-Maria Dolores Grajeda Galindo, wife of Francisco Fimbres, was killed by 
Juan's Apache women on October 15, 1927. This is correct.

5.-The Apache Juan was killed in April of 1931. His killer, don Cayetano 
Fimbres, kept a small sheet of paper with the notes of that occurrence, from 
there comes that date. Estolano Madrid saw the sheet more than once.

It was a Wednesday of Holy Week, when he was killed.

6.-The young Apache Carmelita was captured in the Sierra by Aristeo Garcia 
in mid-April of 1932.

7.-The Apache Juan was not a bad person. At least there is no evidence that 
shows this. On the contrary, there abounds opinions to the effect that this 
Apache had a friendship with various ranchers in the Sierra, whom he visited 
frequently in search of food for his girls. (Of which he asked for in very 
simple broken Spanish).

8.-It is false that the Apache Elias (Figueroa), father of Juan, was 
tortured to death to steal a secret from him regarding where he obtained his 
gold that he was taking to the Little Mesa of Cuajari.(This information was 
given to us by an unforgettable friend, native of said village(Mesita del 
Cuajari), Albano Urquijo Soto).

The truth is that Elias died shot to death in a pasture in the environs of 

In his old age this Apache had killed in Arivechi, 3 daughters of the 
Hacienda-owner Ramon Acedo, who spent a fortune contracting people to follow 
him until the day they surprised him & killed him in the spot where we are 
now indicating.

9.-In the article "Many Sonorans Dead Because of the Apache", (July 18, 
1993), there was illustrated a precious photograph of "Al Che Say", sent to 
me by don Antonio Valencia of the town of Bacerac....we have not been able 
to verify the date when he was supposed to be the last Apache Chief in the 
Sierra of Bacerac, In Nacori Chico noboby remembers his name.

This is Definitive!

With respect to the history of Nacori in the early decades of this century, 
the most sincere and trustworthy informant is, without a doubt, Estolano 
Madrid Fimbres, (nephew by marriage of Maria Dolores Grajeda), who is very 
kind & void of any malice.

He recalls that Carmelita Harris, (adoptive daughter of Mr. Jack Harris), 
was captured in April of 1932 and her original name was "Cuy". She was 7 
years-old and quickly adapted to her new life, such that the very same 
afternoon of her capture she ate with much pleasure and voracity several 
flour tortillas.

She also frolicked in the patio and corral with crashing steps that she 
seemed like a buzzard.

He also remembers when the Apache Juan life ended, it was a Holy Wednesday. 
Also, don Ramon Hurtado went ahead of the rest of the search party on the 
way to town to tell of the news, the rest made it to town on Good Friday and 
Saturday of Glory(Holy Saturday).

Madrid relates that when the Federal Troops massacred the band of Apache 
women of the Apache Juan at "El Carrizo", (1932, he doesn't remember if it 
was July or September), they  transported to Nacori two Apache children, boy 
and girl, she was 4 years-old, with the name "Li", [English pronunciation; 
lee], and he 5 years old with the name "Buy",[English pronunciation; booy].

The Apache Lupa spoke to them in their language and asked them their names.

When the little Apaches were alone, remembers Estolano, they spoke to each 
other quitely.  They loved to eat chicken and sugar cubes.  Indalesio 
Hurtado, one of the sons of don Ramon, would ride the little boy around on 
his neck. (They both died a year later victims to an intestinal fever that 
arrived like an epidemic)

There was another little Apache that was adopted and taken to Bacadeguachi 
by don Manuel Madrid who registered him with the name Julio Madrid.  His 
Original name was "Coi".

Finally, Estolano says that it never occurred to him to ask Lupa her 
original name that is why he ignores what Jose Jesus Fuentes (aka  "El 
Bigotes"), of La Mesa de Tres Rios, asserts is the Apache name of Lupa being 
Empiscilinata Curla Cuscane.

photographs below:  "Li", 4 years of age. Anonymous Apache Woman, part of 
our National Culture.

17th day, 7th month, year 1996